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Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby Everlong » Apr 20, '16, 12:28 pm

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The Browns get the 2016 first-round pick (No. 8 overall), the Eagles' third-round and fourth-round picks in 2016. They also get the Eagles' 2017 first-round pick and the Eagles' 2018 second-rounder.

The Eagles will get the Browns' 2016 first-round pick (No. 2 overall) and a conditional fourth-round pick from the the Browns in the 2017 draft.



Wow! I think this is a good trade for the Browns, honestly. Stock up the picks... you need a lot of them anyway. If Goff is still available at 8 you can grab him then, but otherwise you can at least get a year out of RG3 and focus on building up plenty of other areas on your team.

Seems like a really dumb move by the Eagles to trade so much away, especially after getting rid of Chip Kelly for being way too cavalier with trades.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby The Legend » Apr 21, '16, 1:22 pm

To be clear about one thing, Chip Kelly didn't get fired for making dumb trades. He got fired for being an egotistical maniac that thought his system was so awesome that he could win NFL games with 25 drunk tailgaters from the parking lot.

To be clear about another thing, it's one thing to make a trade that acquires you extra picks (it's the easiest thing to do in the NFL). At some point you have to actually acquire difference making talent and chief among that you have to find a star QB. The Browns need to prove they can do that before getting much credit for the trade. Before it's just considered another Trent Richardson/Julio Jones/Mark Sanchez deal.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby Everlong » Apr 21, '16, 2:10 pm

The Legend wrote:To be clear about another thing, it's one thing to make a trade that acquires you extra picks (it's the easiest thing to do in the NFL). At some point you have to actually acquire difference making talent and chief among that you have to find a star QB. The Browns need to prove they can do that before getting much credit for the trade. Before it's just considered another Trent Richardson/Julio Jones/Mark Sanchez deal.


This is completely valid. But it's definitely at least the right first step to turn this one pick into multiple picks. This is what the Raiders have been doing to get better, it's what the Packers did with Thompson to recover from bad drafting and decisions by Mike Sherman, and it's what the Ravens do with Ozzie Newsome all the time.

The Browns could absolutely bungle their picks, but at least they're taking the right first step here. Now it's about actually capitalizing with these picks.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby Everlong » Apr 21, '16, 3:40 pm

Sam Bradford apparently isn't happy. Wants a trade out of Philly now, since the Eagles are clearly targeting a QB.

Damn. Dramaaaa :chug3
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby The Legend » Apr 21, '16, 5:13 pm

Everlong wrote:Sam Bradford apparently isn't happy. Wants a trade out of Philly now, since the Eagles are clearly targeting a QB.

Damn. Dramaaaa :chug3


Not gonna lie. I kinda wish they'd have included Sam Bradford in the trade instead of one of the third round picks.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby Everlong » Apr 21, '16, 6:50 pm

The Legend wrote:
Everlong wrote:Sam Bradford apparently isn't happy. Wants a trade out of Philly now, since the Eagles are clearly targeting a QB.

Damn. Dramaaaa :chug3


Not gonna lie. I kinda wish they'd have included Sam Bradford in the trade instead of one of the third round picks.


Eh, wouldn't wanna take on that contract. They got RGIII for cheap and he's really not much worse than Bradford. If you're gonna have a stopgap at QB, may as well pay low price for him.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby The Legend » Apr 21, '16, 6:51 pm

Everlong wrote:
The Legend wrote:
Everlong wrote:Sam Bradford apparently isn't happy. Wants a trade out of Philly now, since the Eagles are clearly targeting a QB.

Damn. Dramaaaa :chug3


Not gonna lie. I kinda wish they'd have included Sam Bradford in the trade instead of one of the third round picks.


Eh, wouldn't wanna take on that contract. They got RGIII for cheap and he's really not much worse than Bradford. If you're gonna have a stopgap at QB, may as well pay low price for him.


The Browns have $40 million in salary cap space and can't get a free agent worth having to want to play there.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby Everlong » Apr 21, '16, 6:58 pm

The Legend wrote:The Browns have $40 million in salary cap space and can't get a free agent worth having to want to play there.


Exactly why their best option is to build throough the draft.

Again, Oakland is the best recent example. They've become an attractive market for free agents in just three years since Reggie McKenzie offloaded bloated veteran contracts and started building an outstanding nucleus of young players. Those stockpiled picks turned into homegrown talent, which has helped the team improve and turn into a place people want to play.

When you've been as bad for as long as teams like the Browns, the Raiders, the Jaguars, etc., that's really your only option. If the Browns start hitting on their draft picks, they're not far removed from being an attractive place to play. Oakland was at least as bad off a few years ago as the Browns are now, if not more so.
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Re: Browns trade #2 pick to Eagles

Postby The Legend » Apr 21, '16, 7:12 pm

Everlong wrote:
The Legend wrote:The Browns have $40 million in salary cap space and can't get a free agent worth having to want to play there.


Exactly why their best option is to build throough the draft.

Again, Oakland is the best recent example. They've become an attractive market for free agents in just three years since Reggie McKenzie offloaded bloated veteran contracts and started building an outstanding nucleus of young players. Those stockpiled picks turned into homegrown talent, which has helped the team improve and turn into a place people want to play.

When you've been as bad for as long as teams like the Browns, the Raiders, the Jaguars, etc., that's really your only option. If the Browns start hitting on their draft picks, they're not far removed from being an attractive place to play. Oakland was at least as bad off a few years ago as the Browns are now, if not more so.


Right, they have to hit on draft picks. I'm not saying they don't, but what I was saying in addition to that is, they have so much cap space that the size of Bradford's contract isn't remotely an issue and adding a QB that can play is critical to advancing this team to that point. All the teams you mention improving like the Raiders, the Packers and the Ravens not only hit on their draft picks - they also found their Derek Carr, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco. I think Bradford is more significantly better than RGIII than you do I guess.

Quarterback is the key to the puzzle and unless you believe in Connor Cook, Christian Hackenberg or Paxton Lynch (for the record I don't believe in any of them) the Browns aren't going to get or even try significantly to get the quarterbacn this year. For a team that has been looking for a QB as long as the Browns have it drives me nuts that they haven't used their top draft pick on the most important position in sports since 1999.
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