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SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Everlong » Feb 02, '15, 10:15 pm

Simple question: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane to get into the WrestleMania main event? What's more important... giving the fans the match they want, or accepting what's happened and trying to preserve the integrity of the Royal Rumble?
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Westcoastvibes » Feb 02, '15, 10:46 pm

I dont agree with the whole reality era lets bitch when we want something bullshit

Roman was chose to win and goto wm. We dont know what the build or payoff was gonna be with the story and that right there is the thing that made wrestling entertainment.

You cant have high moments without lows, wwe cant always give the fans what they want when they want it, if its always what the fans want then we would have 4 or 5 guys to run the show and everyone else would be fired. The reality in it is sometimes we have to be told who to like or we would never have fresh faces.

Wwe needs to put their foot down and stick to their decisions
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby HFX » Feb 02, '15, 11:40 pm

WWE needs to give Daniel Bryan the main event against Lesnar. It's not like fans are demanding someone like Kofi Kingston gets the main event. Bryan is arguably the best wrestler they have and the hottest babyface at their disposal. Lesnar is the massive monster and king of the heels. You have the classic David vs Goliath match pitting the man who overcame the odds facing the monster who ended the streak and has torn through all who step in his path. Plus Bryan could have a 5 star match with a broom, I imagine he and Lesnar could put on a WWE classic similar to what Lesnar has done in the past with Benoit, Eddie and Angle.

Roman Reigns is green as can be and shouldn't even be maineventing smaller PPVs right now, let alone the biggest show of the year. Lesnar vs Reigns will be even worse than Goldberg vs Lesnar and kill any future Reigns may have had in the main event. He needs to improve both in the ring and especially on the mic before being elevated to this spot. Every time he shows up on TV it becomes more and more apparent the only thing he has going for him is a look but unfortunately for him this isn't the 1980's anymore.

While we want to respect the Royal Rumbles integrity, the WWE should do what they can to fix another arrogant mistake. They should be ashamed of themselves for pulling this type of bullshit two years in a row and even making a fix necessary. Hopefully going forward they pull their heads out of their asses and think things through.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby DBSoT » Feb 03, '15, 12:58 am

No. If they go back on Reigns vs Lesnar now it just comes off as contrived and disingenuous. As you can tell on Raw. Reigns had no reason to put his title shot on the line, but of course they wrote it that way. I don't want Bryan forced into the Main Event against Lesnar. I want the WWE to have some basic forward thinking and realize when shit is a terrible idea from the start. That way they don't end up having to write themselves out of bad situations. Also how is it going to help Reigns when he gets booed at Fast Lane. Someone has to play the heel (to a degree) and is it really going to look good if your "top face" is getting booed again after beating the most popular guy on the roster.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Heisenberg » Feb 03, '15, 2:41 am

Ive been a fan of wwe for over 30 years, but i have never ever been as pissed off as i am today. The fastlane main event is a spit in the face of all roman reign fans, a big f u to reigns himself and if he loses that match they officially killed the royal rumble. Reigns won gair n square and should go to main event wrestlemania. If they aint happy with the crowds response they should mke lesnar drop that belt against that overrated midget bryan. I tought the rules were that a champion should defend his title at least once every 30 days? ...its complet and utter bullsjit ...and i mean it from the bottom of my heart..if roman reigns isnt the main event in wm and bryan is..i will stop watching wwe. Im sick and tired of beeing scrwed over by them as a fan
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby PorkChop » Feb 03, '15, 3:29 am

No. The company have made their bed, and should be forced to lay in it.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby SortaCreative » Feb 03, '15, 5:27 am

PorkChop wrote:No. The company have made their bed, and should be forced to lay in it.


I understand the fact that WWE should be able to and willing to listen to the fans in the first place rather than running their machine the way they see fit.

But it strikes me as petty and petulant when something may be done about it and that's still not good enough. It's as if you're rooting for them to fail. The company have made their bed and should be forced to lay in it. Forced by who? The fans? The fans have always been fickle. The mob is always fickle. Who else is going to force them to stick to "the original scripted plans".

So what if the fans make WWE change the direction of the product. It's actually to the benefit of everyone involved. Seth Rollins, Daniel Bryan and Roman Reigns looked great last night. Reigns looked better than he's ever looked since he returned because he had an edge about him.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby SortaCreative » Feb 03, '15, 5:28 am

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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby ShaneOfan » Feb 03, '15, 6:58 am

No. Screw what the "fans want." I'm a fan and I didn't want Daniel Bryan winning the Rumble. I'm a Daniel Bryan fan, and didn't want him to win the Rumble. Have a good showing sure. But just because he was champion when he got injured doesn't mean they should have to hand it back to him when he returns. Not when Rollins, Ziggles, Ambrose, and Rusev carried the show quite well in Bryan's absence. I don't think Reigns was the best choice, but I think at least Ambrose or Ziggles was a better one then Bryan. I know it's not his fault he was injured but it's not theirs either. Want Bryan to reign again, fine by me. Have Dean or Dolph at Mania and Rollins cashes in successfully. Then Bryan can feud with him. Hell they can still do that with Roman in the picture and I honestly that may be the plan.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Messiah » Feb 03, '15, 9:02 am

No, he shouldn't. It would make Reigns look weak.

I like Roman Reigns. I don't like how they book him although last night, he looked very, very good. I disagree that he won the Royal Rumble as it should have been Bryan. I feel he has a lot of weaknesses that he needs to correct or the WWE needs to mask. But I am a fan of Roman Reigns. What happened, happened. The worst thing the WWE can do is go back on that for the sake of. If the WWE wants to "fix" Reigns, then book him correctly. Treat him like the badass that got people loving him in the first place. Don't put him in situations where he will be exposed, whether it is in the ring or on the mic. Hanley pointed it out in a thread late last year but the WWE has a real issue with booking anyone who isn't exceptional all-round and especially guys like Reigns who aren't good talkers. I loved Reigns telling Bryan off last night, it fit him. It is what he needs to be doing going forward. Book him like that and people won't rebel against him as much.

I'm fine with either result because of course I would love to see Bryan/Lesnar. However, they are messing up more things (Reigns' credibility, RR credibility) by having Bryan go over than Reigns go over.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Everlong » Feb 03, '15, 9:23 am

Westcoastvibes wrote:Roman was chose to win and goto wm. We dont know what the build or payoff was gonna be with the story and that right there is the thing that made wrestling entertainment.

You cant have high moments without lows, wwe cant always give the fans what they want when they want it, if its always what the fans want then we would have 4 or 5 guys to run the show and everyone else would be fired. The reality in it is sometimes we have to be told who to like or we would never have fresh faces.


I fall sort of in the middle on this issue (as to whether Bryan should win or not), but I strongly disagree with what you're saying here.

"We don't know what the build or pay off was gonna be." If you trust WWE with anything involving "build" or "payoff" at this point, you may have Stockholm Syndrome. Over the past five years, there have been very few instances of storylines that WWE executed with well-done build and payoff. That's just reality.

And no, you never have to be told who to like. The wrestler's job is to get over with the fans. Every professional wrestler will tell you that. The WWE higher-ups might believe that they need to tell fans who they like, but that's the kind of attitude that has led to such significant backlash two years in a row anyway. When WWE has been at its most successful, it has used the audience as a gauge to determine what wrestlers to push. Fans are getting behind Stone Cold? Put him in a match against Bret Hart and do a double turn. Fans are getting sick of us pushing Rocky Maivia down their throats? Fine, turn him heel and let him do his thing on the mic to get people to really hate him. Fans are getting big behind John Cena? Fine, turn him face, downplay the "word life" gimmick and give him a big Mania victory against JBL for his first title.

Right now, what they had been doing with Roman Reigns was like the Rocky Maivia situation, but instead of doing a timely turn and letting him continue to build himself as a character, they forced him all the way to the top of the card and gave him a rumble win when he clearly wasn't ready. Imagine if Maivia had won the Rumble in 1997? That's the kind of situation we've got with Reigns now.

Quoting this part again:

You cant have high moments without lows, wwe cant always give the fans what they want when they want it, if its always what the fans want then we would have 4 or 5 guys to run the show and everyone else would be fired.


That's ignorant though, because you're assuming that the fans are only happy when one character is doing well in Bryan. The truth is, Bryan has become an emblem for everything that fans currently hate about the company. It'd be way different if there was a high quality show on the rest of the card, filled with characters the fans actually like engaged in good storylines, but there isn't. So Bryan has become the anti-establishment focal point, because what happens with the main event storyline carries a whole lot of weight.

Anyone who still thinks that all of what's happened within the last year or two is solely about Daniel Bryan is mistaken. Yes he's over huge right now, and yes, people are missed at the way he's misused. But everything with Bryan is just a symbol of the larger problem with WWE right now, and fans have desperately been trying to show the WWE that their voices actually matter, something that the WWE seemed to have forgotten around 2005 or 2006.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby prophet » Feb 03, '15, 12:54 pm

No, he shouldn't. If Roman loses they're effectively shat on the Rumble concept for the second year running and rendered it obsolete.

I fucking hope he does lose though. He's not at all ready and the people want Bryan.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Everlong » Feb 03, '15, 12:58 pm

Interesting, so far the "nos" have a one vote lead. Would not have expected that.

I think a few people that voted "no" though would probably have been much happier seeing Lesnar/Bryan over Reigns/Lesnar had it been booked to happen that way from the get-go.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby prophet » Feb 03, '15, 1:01 pm

Everlong wrote:Interesting, so far the "nos" have a one vote lead. Would not have expected that.

I think a few people that voted "no" though would probably have been much happier seeing Lesnar/Bryan over Reigns/Lesnar had it been booked to happen that way from the get-go.

I'm in two minds about it to be honest. This would've made a really good PubTalk challenge @Everlong...
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby AkydefGoldberg » Feb 03, '15, 1:10 pm

No.

It's transparent as hell to bring Bryan out to save Vince again. Reigns, despite his weaknesses, deserves an opportunity to be booked properly as Messiah said, and allowed to grow (very quickly admittedly) into the role.

Bryan's a star, no doubt. But not overly comfortable with him taking Reigns spot for another year in a row unless they make it a Triple Threat and Reigns pins Bryan and Lesnar comes off strong.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Ali » Feb 03, '15, 1:20 pm

This is one of those exceedingly rare situations where the WWE has booked themselves into such a corner that whoever wins, THEY LOSE.

And they could've had their proverbial cake and eaten it too if they had done one simple thing: switch Bryan with Ambrose in the Rumble. If Daniel Bryan is the one thrown out by Big Show and Kane at Final 4/5, then that makes so much more sense, and the crowd would've then cheered for Reigns by proxy! Then have Bryan and Reigns team up against Show and Kane at Fast Lane, that neatly continues Bryan vs. The Authority, while building Reigns as a formidable face. Have Reigns slam Big Show and Kane to show that he is indeed strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Lesnar. It's honestly that simple.

The problem was never "Daniel Bryan lost." The problem was that Bryan was one of TWO realistic options, and by being taken out so early, the WWE themselves made the Royal Rumble two things it should NEVER be: Predictable and Boring.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby HFX » Feb 03, '15, 1:23 pm

Either you get Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar in what could be a WM classic or you get the most likely shitfest of Reigns/Lesnar. Y'all people voting no should have no right to bitch when Reigns vs Lesnar winds up being the worst main event in WrestleMania history.
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Re: SHOULD Daniel Bryan beat Roman Reigns at Fastlane?

Postby Everlong » Feb 03, '15, 1:27 pm

HFX wrote:Either you get Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar in what could be a WM classic or you get the most likely shitfest of Reigns/Lesnar. Y'all people voting no should have no right to bitch when Reigns vs Lesnar winds up being the worst main event in WrestleMania history.


It's not as simple as that though. Do the ends justify the means?

I wouldn't complain if we got Bryan vs. Lesnar. It's a match that absolutely has to happen. It's easily the better option of the two in terms of match quality.

Reigns losing his spot completely shits on the Rumble for the second year in a row, and makes Reigns look really bad when they're trying to build him up as a character and he's not fully established yet. Ali is completely right here, this is all about a case where WWE have put themselves into a no-win situation.
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