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Str8Shooter wrote:@Hanley! & @Kirbi just straight murdered that McGuinness/Danielson match, I mean a thorough 1st degree vicious homicide. I don't even want to watch it now. I think that terrible Jackie Gayda/Trish match from Raw got some kinder reviews.
Str8Shooter wrote:@VaderBomb had to go lay down and start doing breathing exercises after he read those posts.
Kirbi wrote:D/G was a wretched, crushing disappointment. Maybe my expectations were a little high, but if this is the very best that ROH has to offer - the only match to make it through - I won't be looking for any more. The storytelling here was utter rubbish, the production exacerbated every minor flaw in a match by two talented performers, and you can clearly see them 'helping' each other frequently i.e. McGuinness does not even slightly look like he's resisting being brained into a pole; he looks like he's remaining braced for it. Sheer stupidity.
Hanley! wrote:Okay, so I watched Danielson vs McGuinness. And then I voted for Punk vs Cena.
I kinda hated Danielson/McGuinness. Actually, I was getting downright pissed off by the end of the match. This was some spectacular indyrific bullshit.
The audio was awful, to the point where it was difficult to make out the rules at the beginning of the match. And the camera was pretty bad too. It was zoomed in at the wrong times and zoomed out at the wrong times. Often the guys were either being exposed, or you couldn't see what was happening properly. There were submissions where we couldn't see exactly where the pressure was being applied and there were punches that we could see weren't landing.
Though while that stuff detracted from the match it wasn't what really pissed me off.
Hanley! wrote:It started out pretty decent. I was honestly more impressed by McGuinness than Danielson. His "pure wrestling" looked a lot more polished than Brian's. They had nice chemistry together in the early going and some of the transitions looked pretty damn cool. Danielson played up the heel role nicely too. I'm not sure if he was actually heel at this point, or if he was just playing heel due to the biased British crowd, but either way he did a good job.
A lot of the spots looked super contrived though. Like one of them would just stand there waiting to take a move from the other. Brian dashed into the corner simply to take a move from McGuinness. They stopped for a cup of tea and a chat when they were both standing on the top freaking rope. Also, some of Danielson's moves lacked the proper intensity. He gave some of the worst stomps I've seen and at one point barely rested his foot on Nigel's face, without pretending to exert any pressure.
Hanley! wrote:What really pissed me off though was the ring post spot and what came after it. It looked absolutely terrible, and yet it was really dangerous. McGuinness cut himself hard way by basically headbutting the post himself. He leaned into each shot making it look stupid and phony. Why? This is wrestling at its ugliest. Absolutely stupid shit that's not worth it in the long run. Then they made it worse by getting into a phony, ugly looking headbutt battle that probably hurt like hell too. And just to further kill the psychology of the match, the bloody McGuinness is the one who started it. Towards the end of the match Brian seemed to really be stiffing McGuinness too (which led to an underwhelming KO finish out of nowhere).
Hanley! wrote:It's absolutely no mystery why both of their careers are probably over now. This was really stupid, pointless stuff. Dutch Mantel once famously said that there was a time in wrestling when people pretended to hurt each other and everyone thought it was real, and now people really hurt each other and everyone knows it's fake. This match is the epitome of that, if you ask me.
If this is the best of Bryan's ROH stuff, then I'll be happy not to go looking for any more of it.
SlightlyJames wrote:I disagree with the defense of the ring post spot. It looked pretty bad, Nigel had clearly tensed his arms to be more easily pulled onto the post and in no way looked like he was trying to avoid getting walloped on the dome. It felt far too gratuitous to me and I don't think it added much at all to the match.
The comparison to Mankind going off the cell falls way flat. It was also a moronic thing to do but the payoff was infinitely greater. That is a legendary, iconic moment in wrestling history. The only reason I haven't forgotten the ring post spot after seeing it less than a week ago is because it's still being discussed here.
SlightlyJames wrote:I disagree with the defense of the ring post spot. It looked pretty bad, Nigel had clearly tensed his arms to be more easily pulled onto the post and in no way looked like he was trying to avoid getting walloped on the dome. It felt far too gratuitous to me and I don't think it added much at all to the match.
The comparison to Mankind going off the cell falls way flat. It was also a moronic thing to do but the payoff was infinitely greater. That is a legendary, iconic moment in wrestling history. The only reason I haven't forgotten the ring post spot after seeing it less than a week ago is because it's still being discussed here.
Daz wrote:SlightlyJames wrote:I disagree with the defense of the ring post spot. It looked pretty bad, Nigel had clearly tensed his arms to be more easily pulled onto the post and in no way looked like he was trying to avoid getting walloped on the dome. It felt far too gratuitous to me and I don't think it added much at all to the match.
The comparison to Mankind going off the cell falls way flat. It was also a moronic thing to do but the payoff was infinitely greater. That is a legendary, iconic moment in wrestling history. The only reason I haven't forgotten the ring post spot after seeing it less than a week ago is because it's still being discussed here.
I remembered it 9 years later so I'd argue that it's memorable. I still think it was stupid but it's probably the only thing I disagree with Vaderbomb on when it comes to this match.
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