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Messiah wrote:A top QB = Top 10 QB.
Cam Newton is absolutely better than Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.
The Legend wrote:I would definitely take Cam over Big Ben, Romo, Eli and Flacco and definitely consider it over Luck, Ryan and Rivers.
Philip Rivers wrote:Messiah wrote:A top QB = Top 10 QB.
Cam Newton is absolutely better than Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.
So...one guy (Flacco) who arguably had one of the best post seasons in NFL history, won a Super Bowl and has consistently won coming out of, what then, was one of the best divisions in the league for years...has a pedigree, and who's team this season looks better as well, yet Cam is better?
I'm not even going to mention Eli, that guy has two rings and defeated one of the best teams of all time, head coaches/QB combo in the big show twice....
Philip Rivers wrote:Messiah wrote:A top QB = Top 10 QB.
Cam Newton is absolutely better than Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.
So...one guy (Flacco) who arguably had one of the best post seasons in NFL history, won a Super Bowl and has consistently won coming out of, what then, was one of the best divisions in the league for years...has a pedigree, and who's team this season looks better as well, yet Cam is better.
I'm not even going to mention Eli, that guy has two rings and defeated one of the best teams of all time, head coaches/QB combo in the big show twice....
Philip Rivers wrote:The Legend wrote:I would definitely take Cam over Big Ben, Romo, Eli and Flacco and definitely consider it over Luck, Ryan and Rivers.
Based off what? Any of those guys standing clean in a pocket throwing the ball is better than Cam, purely based off being a QB.
The Legend wrote:
The Ravens and Giants won Super Bowls, it's a a team sport. They won because of defense and running games moreso than their quarterbacks.
The Legend wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:The Legend wrote:I would definitely take Cam over Big Ben, Romo, Eli and Flacco and definitely consider it over Luck, Ryan and Rivers.
Based off what? Any of those guys standing clean in a pocket throwing the ball is better than Cam, purely based off being a QB.
A QB isn't just throwing the football, definitely not any more. Realistically, quarterbacks don't get to just stand clean and throw the ball. You need a playmaker that is good when things break down as well and threatens defenses in unique ways.
Messiah wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:Messiah wrote:A top QB = Top 10 QB.
Cam Newton is absolutely better than Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.
So...one guy (Flacco) who arguably had one of the best post seasons in NFL history, won a Super Bowl and has consistently won coming out of, what then, was one of the best divisions in the league for years...has a pedigree, and who's team this season looks better as well, yet Cam is better.I'm not even going to mention Eli, that guy has two rings and defeated one of the best teams of all time, head coaches/QB combo in the big show twice....
So are Joe Flacco and Eli Manning both better QBs than Philip Rivers?
Philip Rivers wrote:Also to be fair, you're taking my logic and basing it off Rivers and not Cam, Rivers is on an entire different level throwing the ball than Cam.
Philip Rivers wrote:Okay, how many playoff wins does Cam have the past 2-3 years? How can you be a top 10 QB with 0 playoff wins?
Philip Rivers wrote:LUCK has done way more, with way less around him as well.
Messiah wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:Okay, how many playoff wins does Cam have the past 2-3 years? How can you be a top 10 QB with 0 playoff wins?
The same amount as Ben Roethlisberger and Tony Romo.
Philip Rivers won 1 more (against the Bengals) but they made it just as far as Cam Newton did and NFC was a much tougher conference than the AFC last year.
But I guess your rules don't count for them.
Messiah wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:LUCK has done way more, with way less around him as well.
Get the fuck out.
Philip Rivers wrote:Messiah wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:Okay, how many playoff wins does Cam have the past 2-3 years? How can you be a top 10 QB with 0 playoff wins?
The same amount as Ben Roethlisberger and Tony Romo.
Philip Rivers won 1 more (against the Bengals) but they made it just as far as Cam Newton did and NFC was a much tougher conference than the AFC last year.
But I guess your rules don't count for them.
They have a win though or more than a win.
Top 10 QB but you're not even a top QB in your division.
Messiah wrote:Philip Rivers wrote:LUCK has done way more, with way less around him as well.
Get the fuck out.
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