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Viazon wrote:I have never understood extreme patriotism. And what is a flag really? It's just a peace of cloth with some colours on it. No one should be made to salute anything if they don't want to. It doesn't mean these athletes hate their country. Trump is a nutcase.
PorkChop wrote:Viazon wrote:I have never understood extreme patriotism. And what is a flag really? It's just a peace of cloth with some colours on it. No one should be made to salute anything if they don't want to. It doesn't mean these athletes hate their country. Trump is a nutcase.
I've never understood patriotism at all, extreme or not. Coming from a certain country shouldn't be a matter of pride as you haven't achieved anything by being shat out of your mum's vagina in a certain place, whether this be in England or Ethiopia. I'm immensely grateful to come from a country which provides me with a good standard of living, but seeing "United Kingdom" on my birth certificate doesn't fill me with any pride.
When it comes to flags and national anthems though, I appreciate that they're (allegedly) symbolic of a country's identity and values but at the end of the day, it's just a flag and a song. There's a lot of man-children on the internet campaigning for a lot of these players to be fired for not standing up for a song, but I'd wager that a vast majority of these same men-children didn't campaign for firings and suspensions in light of some of the high-profile sexual assault and domestic violence cases which the NFL has had to deal with in recent years. I wonder why this is.
The Legend wrote:I disagree with not understanding/liking patriotism. I believe in pride in where you are from and I particularly believe strongly in wanting to help your country and its people above others. Mostly the world is too big a place for any group of people or any country to fix everything, but if you simply focus on helping those in your country you can make a bigger difference. I actually think we'd be better off if the world became a little bigger again, if everyone just turned to their own back yard and governments and economies just focused on functioning inside its own borders everyone would be better off. America has proven time and again that it doesn't understand everything going on in other places and "trying to help" usually just results in making a bigger mess than where it started.
Everlong wrote:I disagree with the "America First" attitude, however, as I think we have become far too globally interconnected to ever again think of our interests and our interests only.
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