US Supreme Court Upholds Gay Marriage Legality!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/us/su ... mid=tw-bna

SUCK IT BIGOTS

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One thing I hate about the gay pride movement is how it takes up so much air time. With the Charleston shooting last week, everybody forgot about the TPP going through. it's good to see however that the issue is resolved and Gays can now marry.

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This is great on 2 levels.
1. Gay people can finally marry legally.
2. The people that said they would leave the country if gay marriage was legal now have a reason to leave.

It's a good time to be in the wedding planning business. It's about to see a boom period.

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Good, now all those gays can be just as miserable as the rest of us! The poor bastards didn't know how good they had it.

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Final section of Justice Kennedy's statement:

No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed.

It is so ordered.

What a fucking mic drop moment. Bet he walked away and was like AND IF YOU'RE NOT DOWN WITH THAT, I GOT TWO WORDS FOR YAA

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That man has a hell of a talent for words.

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I like the idea that Gay marriage is rooted from a desire to die together and show true love or whatever, but there's a darker side to that. Part of getting the Gay marriage thing going was because they aren't accepted. People judge them. I don't, I'm conservative and I do not have an issue with this being passed. It needed to happen. This is like an open "We Accept You" type of gesture that they want. if you remember the Lesbian movements from the hippy days you'll see a lot of similarities. It's why the parades they have seem very festival like. Women have an underrated part in this. Gay men don't really care about marriage as much, or men in general. But men are signing the checks and buying into it.

I have a question for you guys, do you think that a Church should be able to deny a Gay couple from marrying? Or can a bakery refuse to serve a Gay customer?

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I have a question for you guys, do you think that a Church should be able to deny a Gay couple from marrying? Or can a bakery refuse to serve a Gay customer?

Yeah, I think churches should be able to deny gay couples from marrying. I'll just choose not to be affiliated with such churches, as I think they have a horrible understanding of their own faith. As long as gay couples are able to get married in the eyes of the government and get the same benefits as straight couples, that's the important part. If churches wanna continue to be ass-backwards on the issue, that's their deal.

With businesses I'd say it partially depends on the kind of company. That's a tougher question to answer. Because should, for example, an insurance company be able to deny service to a gay person/couple? I'd say definitely not.

I'm not in favor of any business denying service to gay couples, of course. But I think the legality of that question is a bit more in a gray area than churches denying marriage to gay people.

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Actual statement from Scott Walker:

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I believe this Supreme Court decision is a grave mistake. Five unelected judges have taken it upon themselves to redefine the institution of marriage, an institution that the author of this decision acknowledges ‘has been with us for millennia.’ In 2006 I, like millions of Americans, voted to amend our state constitution to protect the institution of marriage from exactly this type of judicial activism. The states are the proper place for these decisions to be made, and as we have seen repeatedly over the last few days, we will need a conservative president who will appoint men and women to the Court who will faithfully interpret the Constitution and laws of our land without injecting their own political agendas. As a result of this decision, the only alternative left for the American people is to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to reaffirm the ability of the states to continue to define marriage.

Recognizing that our Founders made our Constitution difficult to amend, I am reminded that it was first amended to protect our ‘First Freedom’ - the free exercise of religion. The First Amendment does not simply protect a narrow ‘right to worship,’ but provides broad protection to individuals and institutions to worship and act in accordance with their religious beliefs. In fact, the Wisconsin constitution explicitly protects the rights of conscience of our citizens. I can assure all Wisconsinites concerned about the impact of today’s decision that your conscience rights will be protected, and the government will not coerce you to act against your religious beliefs.

I call on the president and all governors to join me in reassuring millions of Americans that the government will not force them to participate in activities that violate their deeply held religious beliefs. No one wants to live in a country where the government coerces people to act in opposition to their conscience. We will continue to fight for the freedoms of all Americans.

This bitch actually has the gall to say he's fighting for the freedoms of all Americans in the same post where he is fighting against the freedoms of all homosexual Americans. Lmao.

Not to mention the fact that he seems to have a complete lack of understanding of the purpose of the Supreme Court.

These are the fucking people that Republicans support in this country. This is the voice of a person who is one of the two or three primary contenders to win the GOP nomination. What a fucking joke.

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NOTE: Scott Walker is retarded and does not represent the entire GOP.

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NOTE: Scott Walker is retarded and does not represent the entire GOP.

And yet oddsmakers give him the 2nd best chance to win the nomination for his party.

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Gay men don't really care about marriage as much, or men in general. But men are signing the checks and buying into it.

What? Yes they do.

I have a question for you guys, do you think that a Church should be able to deny a Gay couple from marrying? Or can a bakery refuse to serve a Gay customer?

Yes, churches shouldn't have to marry two men or two women if it is against the beliefs of that church.

And yes, businesses should be able to refuse anybody for any reason, in my opinion. I'm not saying that businesses should refuse people because they're gay because that's just stupid...but I think they have the right to. It's their business, their products that they're selling. The owner should have the right to serve and sell their products to who they want; I don't think the patron should have any rights in that regard. Speaking of privately-owned businesses only, obviously.

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What an awesome week for America with the confederate flag being taken down and the Supreme Court legalizing same sex marriage.

Glad to see progression in this country.

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What an awesome week for America with the confederate flag being taken down and the Supreme Court legalizing same sex marriage.

Glad to see progression in this country.

I'm with you on the Gay marriage but the confederate flag thing irks me because it's erasing American history.

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What an awesome week for America with the confederate flag being taken down and the Supreme Court legalizing same sex marriage.

Glad to see progression in this country.

I'm with you on the Gay marriage but the confederate flag thing irks me because it's erasing American history.

It's not like they're preventing people from talking about it in history classes or removing mentions of the confederacy from museums. They just want people to stop flying a flag on government property that is rightfully associated with slavery and hatred.

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Fun fact: The Civil War wasn't about slavery.

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Fun fact: The Civil War wasn't about slavery.

This is a fallacy that tends to be bandied out by people looking for ways to justify hatred by instead claiming the confederates mostly cared about "states rights." The primary reason for secession was, in fact, slavery, but to make themselves look less bigoted they've built up this alternate "states rights" history in the decade sense.

The most widespread myth is also the most basic. Across America, 60 percent to 75 percent of high-school history teachers believe and teach that the South seceded for state's rights, said Jim Loewen, author of "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" (Touchstone, 1996) and co-editor of "The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader: The 'Great Truth' about the 'Lost Cause'" (University Press of Mississippi, 2010).

"It's complete B.S.," Loewen told LiveScience. "And by B.S., I mean 'bad scholarship.'"

In fact, Loewen said, the original documents of the Confederacy show quite clearly that the war was based on one thing: slavery. For example, in its declaration of secession, Mississippi explained, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world … a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." In its declaration of secession, South Carolina actually comes out against the rights of states to make their own laws — at least when those laws conflict with slaveholding. "In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals," the document reads. The right of transit, Loewen said, was the right of slaveholders to bring their slaves along with them on trips to non-slaveholding states.

In its justification of secession, Texas sums up its view of a union built upon slavery: "We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."

The myth that the war was not about slavery seems to be a self-protective one for many people, said Stan Deaton, the senior historian at the Georgia Historical Society.

"People think that somehow it demonizes their ancestors," to have fought for slavery, Deaton told LiveScience. But the people fighting at the time were very much aware of what was at stake, Deaton said.

"[Defining the war] is our problem," he said. "I don't think it was theirs."

"The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery. That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution." - history.net

"What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America? A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery. In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict." - PBS's "History Detectives"

"Economic and social differences between the North and the South [were the primary cause of the Civil War]. With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery." Martin Kelly, renowned American HIstory expert

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I'm sure slavery was indeed a big factor for the South being pissed, but the Union didn't go to war to end slavery, either. Lincoln would have been happy to send every black man woman and child out of the country first. Things happened a different way, obviously.

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Bigotry? What, do you think I'm pro slavery? No, it's just that the North won the propaganda war. Much like the allied forces won the propaganda war after WW2. Which is why we don't talk about the bombing of Dresden. The war was not the good slave freers vs. the big bad south. Without slavery the Southern elites wouldn't have called for a secession (The war wouldn't take place if they didn't), so you could say that it was about slavery, but you wouldn't be telling the whole story IMO. The south was making money and felt they didn't have to deal with the North's shit and wanted to leave. It also pisses me off how Lincoln is some hero yet wanted to ship the slaves to Liberia, or at the very best, make them second class citizens.

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What an awesome week for America with the confederate flag being taken down and the Supreme Court legalizing same sex marriage.

Glad to see progression in this country.

I'm with you on the Gay marriage but the confederate flag thing irks me because it's erasing American history.

In Germany you can be seriously fined and thrown in jail for having a piece of clothing with the Swastika symbol, I don't see why that can't be applicable to the US with the confederate flag.

10-15,000 people in the South used to wave that flag around after publicly lynching black people. The flag has a deeper context and history than just the civil war. That flag was one of the last things people who were lynched had to see before being killed. That's why it doesn't have a place in today's society.