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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby SlightlyJames » Mar 18, '17, 9:34 am

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Hanley! wrote:It's news to me that Maddox wasn't fired years ago already.


He was

I'm sure I saw him in a WWE ring only a few months ago? I'm out of touch these days.


He's been working indies since 2015 under the name Mad Braddox. No joke.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby PorkChop » Mar 18, '17, 9:40 am

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Hanley! wrote:It's news to me that Maddox wasn't fired years ago already.


He was

I'm sure I saw him in a WWE ring only a few months ago? I'm out of touch these days.


He's been working indies since 2015 under the name Mad Braddox. No joke.

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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby AkydefGoldberg » Mar 18, '17, 9:57 am

Knowing WWE they'll simply allow script writers to throw in jibes against Paige touching on this video but it's hardly her fault it has been leaked. By whom I wonder? She was going out with Del Rio last I read. I don't know how valuable she is to the company as a performer but she seems high maintenance off it. Not enough to boot her out but enough to keep her and rip the mickey out of her.

But having come across Porky's update involving Paige and her title and a dude's semen. That would make her exit from the company a certainty once she recovers from her injury I reckon.

Doubt this episode will make The Rock's biographical drama he's making about Paige's journey..

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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby The Legend » Mar 18, '17, 10:21 am

It's shitty sure, but I can't fully agree with people painting Paige as some helpless victim. She was a knowing and willing partner in sexual pictures and videos being taken, at the point you are including other people in such things you've already removed claims to privacy from that moment. That's before you factor in her celebrity status. It's a fact of the world we live in, if you are a celebrity with a sex tape male or female it's not a matter of if, but when that tape and pictures are revealed. It might be a sad fact, but it's the reality of the world we live in and people need to be smart enough to protect themselves from the world we live in on a number of different fronts. There's one full proof way to make sure you aren't ever in a sex tape, that's to never consent to a video being made in the first place.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Hanley! » Mar 18, '17, 7:27 pm

The Legend wrote:It's shitty sure, but I can't fully agree with people painting Paige as some helpless victim. She was a knowing and willing partner in sexual pictures and videos being taken, at the point you are including other people in such things you've already removed claims to privacy from that moment. That's before you factor in her celebrity status. It's a fact of the world we live in, if you are a celebrity with a sex tape male or female it's not a matter of if, but when that tape and pictures are revealed. It might be a sad fact, but it's the reality of the world we live in and people need to be smart enough to protect themselves from the world we live in on a number of different fronts. There's one full proof way to make sure you aren't ever in a sex tape, that's to never consent to a video being made in the first place.


You can call it reckless or naive, or say that she should have known better, but yes she's a victim here. 100%.

If you walk down a dark alley and wind up getting mugged, it's not you that's to blame. It's the asshole mugger's fault. If a girl drinks too much and winds up getting raped, the rapist is still the one at fault.

Sure, Paige doesn't exactly present as innocent. But when people steal her private videos/photographs and post them for the world to see, she's not the one who has done something wrong.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby prophet » Mar 19, '17, 5:10 am

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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby The Legend » Mar 19, '17, 5:57 am

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The Legend wrote:It's shitty sure, but I can't fully agree with people painting Paige as some helpless victim. She was a knowing and willing partner in sexual pictures and videos being taken, at the point you are including other people in such things you've already removed claims to privacy from that moment. That's before you factor in her celebrity status. It's a fact of the world we live in, if you are a celebrity with a sex tape male or female it's not a matter of if, but when that tape and pictures are revealed. It might be a sad fact, but it's the reality of the world we live in and people need to be smart enough to protect themselves from the world we live in on a number of different fronts. There's one full proof way to make sure you aren't ever in a sex tape, that's to never consent to a video being made in the first place.


You can call it reckless or naive, or say that she should have known better, but yes she's a victim here. 100%.

If you walk down a dark alley and wind up getting mugged, it's not you that's to blame. It's the asshole mugger's fault. If a girl drinks too much and winds up getting raped, the rapist is still the one at fault.

Sure, Paige doesn't exactly present as innocent. But when people steal her private videos/photographs and post them for the world to see, she's not the one who has done something wrong.


Your two scenarios are completely different than this one. Both of your scenarios involve the actual act itself being something completely non-consensual. Paige was completely aware and willing to participate with the cameras the exhibitionist thrill of making those pictures and videos at least in part involves the knowledge of the possibility of other people seeing them, it's part of the excitement and danger for the people that choose to make such things. You can be mugged no matter what street you walk down, you can be raped no matter what precautions you take, they are in large part completely random occurrences that are just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Anyone that willing chooses to record anything in picture, video or writing regardless of nature is accepting of the part that they don't have total control of what will happen to those things.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Messiah » Mar 19, '17, 6:12 am

Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby The Legend » Mar 19, '17, 6:28 am

Messiah wrote:Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.


Who makes pornography that they don't want anyone to see? It's counter intuitive.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Hanley! » Mar 19, '17, 6:34 am

The videos were recorded on her own devices. Maybe she wanted to see them?

Someone actually committed a crime here, so maybe let them take the blame for this one.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby The Legend » Mar 19, '17, 7:18 am

I never absolved anyone from blame in this situation. there's plenty to go around, whoever leaked them, Xavier, Paige, whoever else was in them. Plenty to go around.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby prophet » Mar 19, '17, 11:12 am

The Legend wrote:
Messiah wrote:Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.


Who makes pornography that they don't want anyone to see? It's counter intuitive.

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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Everlong » Mar 19, '17, 11:46 am

The Legend wrote:
Messiah wrote:Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.


Who makes pornography that they don't want anyone to see? It's counter intuitive.


There are millions of people all over the world who film themselves having sex with their significant others and never intend it to end up in other people's hands.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Twister » Mar 19, '17, 3:25 pm

The Legend wrote:
Messiah wrote:Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.


Who makes pornography that they don't want anyone to see? It's counter intuitive.


You don't think it's perfectly reasonable that a consenting couple might want to record themselves or each other for personal use and not expect to wake up one morning to the humiliating realisation that they've been stolen, leaked and seen by millions the world over?

The crime has been committed by the hacker(s) who do this with nothing but malicious intent. Full responsibility lies with the one who committed the crime. Not the victim of one.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Messiah » Mar 19, '17, 10:11 pm

The Legend wrote:
Messiah wrote:Yea, it was definitely consensual on Paige's part to have her nudes exposed to millions.


Who makes pornography that they don't want anyone to see? It's counter intuitive.


Here is the problem. You disagree with people making pornographic videos of themselves, leading you to believe that any injustice that happens to them in relation to that is partially their fault. It doesn't make any sense.

You can act like it isn't an apt comparison, but it absolutely fits. If a college teen gets piss-drunk at a frat party, that doesn't mean she "had it coming" in regards to sexual harassment or assault. What you are saying is no different than that. It is victim blaming.

In all likelihood (as in, 99.99%), the individuals involved made these videos so that they could enjoy them on their own time. That is probably why these videos were never released to the public until a hacker decided to do so. There is nothing wrong with what Paige, Woods, or Maddox did (albeit I don't understand the purpose of filming somebody filming you). It really is unfortunate.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby The Legend » Mar 20, '17, 4:55 am

I don't have a problem with people making pornography. I think there's irony in doing something that is blatantly coming from the fetish of exhibitionism and then being outraged when a person is exhibited.

The other factor is Paige isn't just another person. Celebrities and "normal people" have different lives and factors they deal with. Any normal person this is absolutely viewed differently than a celebrity who is very well compensated for their chasing of fame and becoming a household name. The other side of that fame is when you ask people to be very interested in what you do, funny thing they often become very interested in everything you do. The price for becoming a rich, famous celebrity that people are fascinated with is a loss to whatever degree of privacy that goes along with people being interested enough in you to watch you live your life on a reality TV show.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Twister » Mar 20, '17, 12:02 pm

So celebrities waiver their right to any privacy because they are in the public eye? If they become a victim of cyber hacking then it's their own fault for being famous? we are all entitled to a private life. Yes if you are in be public eye then it's wise to be more careful but when it comes down to it celebrities, just like us, are only human and they can't be perfect all the time. That does not make them at fault for having a crime committed against them.

If she was burgled no one would be claiming it was her fault (or partly her fault) for being rich and having nice things. Cyber hacking isn't really that different. Both are massive invasions of privacy, they both involve 'breaking in' to a place you're not entitled to be and both result in property being stolen and in this case shared in the most humiliating way.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby DBSoT » Mar 20, '17, 1:01 pm

Anyone that is blaming the people in the photos/videos, doesn't understand how consent works.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Twister » Mar 20, '17, 1:37 pm

Statement from her mother and father:

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People underestimate how devastating hacking can be. It's indefensible.
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Re: Paige's nudes leak, the IWC goes bezerk.

Postby Viazon » Mar 20, '17, 2:52 pm

I've done it before with previous girls I have dated. I'm sure other people here have. You do it for yourself. Just for fun I supposed. You have never even been a little bit curious to see how you look while going at it? Paige is a human and can do whatever she feels in her own time. Nobody, no matter who you are, deserves to have their private videos out there for everyone to see. Her being a celebrity is no excuse. She is a victim here and this is in no way her fault.
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